Scott Seiver Wins Second WSOP Bracelet, $296K in Dying Game of Limit Hold’em

Scott Seiver won his second WSOP bracelet — first in a decade — in limit hold’em, a once popular game that doesn’t attract many players these days, especially women.

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Scott Seiver came out victorious at the WSOP $10,000 Limit Hold’em Championship event on Wednesday. (Image: CardsChat News)

But leave it to Seiver, one of the best players in the world, to tackle a difficult $10,000 Limit Hold’em Championship event that few amateurs these days play.

The tournament drew 114 players, all of them seasoned (and a few rather grizzled).

Seiver beat a final table that included former WPT Player of the Year Anthony Zinno, Los Angeles-area high-stakes crusher and “Live at the Bike” regular Dan Zack, and 2013 limit hold’em bracelet winner Michael Moore.

In limit hold’em, unlike no-limit, it’s next to impossible for an unskilled player to fluke their way through a large field to win a tournament and pull a Jerry Yang, if you will.

No doubt Seiver, whose last bracelet was in a $2,500 NLH event in 2008, earned this victory, grinding through a field that included some of the best limit players in the world.

Although it had been a decade since Scott won a WSOP title, this is far from his first major accomplishment during that drought. Seiver, who is more of a cash game specialist than a tournament grinder, has over $23 million lifetime in live tournaments with his biggest score coming in the 2015 Super High Roller Bowl (2nd place for $5.1 million).

He also has a 2nd place finish this summer, winning $111,516 in Event #8, $2,500 Mixed Triple Draw Lowball.

WSOP Event #52, $10,000 No-Limit Hold’em Championship results

1 Scott Seiver (USA) $296,222
2 Matt Szymanszek (USA) $183,081
3 Anthony Zinno (USA) $129,186
4 Christopher Chung (USA) $93,009
5 Matt Glantz (USA) $63,582
6 Philip Cordano (USA) $51,296
7 Dan Zack (USA) $39,329
8 Michael Moore (USA) $30,821
9 Ken Deng (USA) $24,700

Whither Limit Hold’em?

During the 1990s and into the early 2000s, limit hold’em was the most popular game spread at casinos in the United States. Many top no-limit players in the game today got their start playing low-stakes limit games.

That all changed within a year after Chris Moneymaker’s 2003 Main Event title run appeared on ESPN. Not long after poker on TV became popular, limit hold’em began to fizzle. Apparently, shoving all-in and bluffing an opponent off a big pot was sexier and more glamorous than reading Sklansky and grinding out long sessions to get your adrenaline pumping.

Not surprisingly, low-stakes players began shifting to $1/$2 and $2/5 no-limit hold’em.

Fifteen years ago, in 2003, seven of 36 WSOP events were in limit hold’em. This year, there are only three (out of 78).

The first was a $1,500 buy-in LHE tournament, which drew 596 players and paid the winner, Robert Nehorayan, $173,568.

Seiver then won the $10,000 buy-in “Championship,” and after the start of the Main Event, on July 9, there will be a $3,000 limit hold’em event. 

Card rooms at the very start of the poker boom often spread numerous limit hold’em games. Even in places such as Des Moines, Iowa, and Kansas City, Missouri, limit hold’em was the top game in town in the years immediately before and after Moneymaker. Now, you won’t even find a game at many Las Vegas casinos.

(Just last month, the suburban Suncoast casino in Las Vegas shut down their poker room, which had previously spread $2/4 and $3/6 hold’em.)

Ten years ago, in 2008, the same $10k limit hold’em event drew nearly twice as many competitors, 218, compared to this year’s 114.

Of the 114 players in the $10K Championship event, only one woman entered — Maria Ho, who finished in 12th place for $20,353.

Differences Between Limit and No-Limit on Display at Final Table

NLH and limit hold’em have one significant difference: The amount you can bet on each street. In no-limit, you can bet up to the size of your stack. In limit, you are required to bet a set amount.

Amateurs don’t often play limit tournaments because, unlike no-limit, it’s more difficult to beat the pros. In an NLH event, you could conceivably win a few lucky all-ins and, assuming you don’t do anything completely stupid the rest of the way, make the final table.

But in limit hold’em, a game where massive pots are few and far between, you can’t final table a tournament off a few lucky hands. You need many lucky hands, which is nearly impossible, to make a deep run against the pros. Hence, the reason most amateurs stay away and why the game has declined in popularity.

Limit hold’em strategy is vastly different from NLH. In limit games, you’re often forced to call off multiple streets on marginal hands and draws because the pot odds are so enticing, which can be frustrating if you don’t hit your draw on the river.

(There’s a reason limit hold’em gave birth to the phrase “crying call.”)

But, at the same time, the limit format can help you win big pots you wouldn’t have won in no-limit.

Take the following hand from last night’s $10k final table for example.

Anthony Zinno 3♥3
Dan Zack Q♠Q
Matt Glantz A♥K

Blinds (13,000/25,000)

Zinno raises in early position, Glantz three-bets, Zack four-bets and gets a call from both players.

The flop comes 3♣5♠3♦, giving Zinno quads. Zack bet and both players called. The turn came the A, a bad card for Glantz who hit top pair with the top kicker but was drawing dead.

Zinno bet out this time and got raised by Glantz, forcing Zack to fold his ladies, and then Zinno made the call. When the 7♦ turned over on the river, Zinno again bet and Glantz called to find out the bad news.

This hand shows the difference between how limit and no-limit games are played. If you’re Anthony Zinno, you’re loving limit hold’em after that hand. In NLH, he likely doesn’t get to see the flop as Zack and Glantz would have put in big raises to force him off the pot.

Had this been an NLH hand, Zack probably wins this hand with a shove on the flop, likely forcing Glantz off the hand.

Limit hold’em is a frustrating game when you can’t muscle opponents out of the pot. But if you’re Scott Seiver right now, you’re loving the game.

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